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Good gif Phily...

...no matter how many times I watch it, Ted never misses a ball.

Gets to what Martin describes and well worth the observation that even though the ball is struck in front, or ahead, of him impact, it is also left of him through the zone....until the trail hand pops. I think that is a correct Martin view, but I won't know if it is unless he puts down the chopsticks and sushi and comes back to comment of the accuracy thereof.

Domo-Arigato

Mehlhorn's book has had me mezmerized for more than a year. It was given to me by Dirter Steve Redston. I keep it by my bedside table and also travel with it and I read from it often. It reads like a conversation and many people may not appreciate that format but I love it. Many may poo poo the simplicity of what is presented but Mehlhorn clearly was a genius when it comes to golf and he said it plain which I appreciate more than anything else.

Here's a link to a picture of my copy amongst my other books.

secretinthedirt.com/index.php/village/my...mid=893#photoid=4490

The old timers knew alot.

MM

this is what I see.

1 - The left wrist radially deviates from a weak grip which shows up as dorsi flexion at the top of his swing. (The infamous cupped left wrist).

2 - The right wrist also radially deviates and shows up as dorsi flexion at the top of the swing.

3 - The right arm/elbow stays close to the body on the BS and allows the hands to move up into the top position all while rotating the body. This allows the left arm to be straight and go up and across the chest and shoulder line.

4 - In the transition, the left wrist has ulnar deviation that releases the "cupped" wrist and puts it into a palmar flexion. This is where Hogan says he supinates or bows the left wrist on the way down. There maybe some left forearm pronation to lay off the club from the top too. This pushes the right hand/right elbow down and into the body. The so called "free ride down". Some like to call this the gravity drop but I don't think Hogan just let it fall. This would involve timing and waiting. He pushed down with the left wrist and pulled down with the right elbow. This got his right elbow on his right hip.

5 - The right wrist ulnar deviates slightly but keeps the dorsiflexion in the down swing. This keeps the club face from ever flipping at impact.

6 - From there he just freezes the triangle of the arms/wrist and just body pivot rotates the hell out of it.

There, I like my own description of what I think Hogan does better than how the 5L book describes it.

For those who wonder about my radial deviation that turns into dorsiflexion statement, try this experiment.

Put your left arm out in front of you like you are gripping a club with a weak grip (thumb on top). Now take your thumb straight back toward your forearm (I remember someone saying Hogan could touch his forearm with his thumb). You don't have to do it that far. What happens? Not only do you radially deviate, you also now have dorsiflexed (cupped the left wrist). Hmmm, the secret to the secret (cupped left wrist)?

Talk about finding nuggets of gold in a trash heap. This is a great thread if you can get over the signal-to-noise ratio.

Mehlhorn's book has had me mezmerized for more than a year. It was given to me by Dirter Steve Redston. I keep it by my bedside table and also travel with it and I read from it often. It reads like a conversation and many people may not appreciate that format but I love it. Many may poo poo the simplicity of what is presented but Mehlhorn clearly was a genius when it comes to golf and he said it plain which I appreciate more than anything else.

Here's a link to a picture of my copy amongst my other books.

secretinthedirt.com/index.php/village/my...mid=893#photoid=4490

The old timers knew alot. Mike,could you give us nugget from the book

MM

Mike Maves wrote:


Do you think this is because they went out and found it for themselves through trial and error with a systematic approach to the multitude of movements? And with rarely accesible video they have figured out what works and related that to the physiology of the body without the benefit of super slo-mo etc. I think it would be great to get a student to take this approach - sure it would take a long time but I'm convinced they would own their swings much like our old mate BH.

D

Mike Maves wrote:

Good gif Phily...

...no matter how many times I watch it, Ted never misses a ball.

Gets to what Martin describes and well worth the observation that even though the ball is struck in front, or ahead, of him impact, it is also left of him through the zone....until the trail hand pops. I think that is a correct Martin view, but I won't know if it is unless he puts down the chopsticks and sushi and comes back to comment of the accuracy thereof.

Domo-Arigato

Mike 18-20 on that list is GOLDEN...all good points...but I love those three. We have chatted about Melhorn before...there is not a single one of these old guys that are not worth a read. They all have a ton of wisdom to impart to us.......

...few posts back we were talking baseball swing, this clip stood out to me from the video Mike posted on his Sevam1 blog sevam1.blogspot.com/2008/10/ted-williams...gan-of-baseball.html

the instrument gets outside alittle but the arms,hands never do,their inside were all the power and speed is,

Ted Williams & Ben Hogan.....look a hair different because one is hitting the ball at waist high and the other is hitting the ball at ground level
shoulders and hips match close in unison of rotation with lower ground resistance....and hey!!!....where did the hands go?
It is extremely evident how much longer Hogan and Williams kept the face/bat pointing targetwards



entirely different to this stuff

ut I get what yr saying Martin,you dont want people to get confused by my bassakward way of veiwing saying things,very,very good point,im not an instructor and im not trying to instruct anyone,ill leave that to you professionals,yr right,better not to confuse people